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Post by Mike Bastarache on May 21, 2008 8:11:32 GMT -5
When Frank first mentioned the opportunity of adding Plus/Minus into the defense rating, I immediatly thought of what that may do to Mr. Datysuk.
It has had a positive effect on 99% of the players.
Larry had emailed me this morning concerning his defense. so it wasn't only me. He is currently sitting at 99.
Prior to the plus minus factor, I think he was around 90 which is a better range.
I vote we move his defense down to what it was before. Thoughts?
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Post by Frank on May 21, 2008 8:28:59 GMT -5
I agree that the +- inflated the Defence rate for some players. This is certainly one of those cases. I would suggest that we take all D rates and adjust them down by 7% then roundeed down with the floor being 50. This will do one of two things:
1)Bring the numbers down to more reasonable numbers for all players.
2)It will do this in a non linear manner.
Ex: Player A has a D of 87 --> 87 would become 80 (Change of 7)
Player B has a D of 99 --> 99 would become 92 (Change of 7)
Player C has a D of 54 --> 54 would become 50 (Change of 4)
Player D has a D of 78 --> 78 would become 72 (Change of 6)
Any thoughts.
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Post by Mike Bastarache on May 21, 2008 8:39:26 GMT -5
Personally, instead of doing it to every one, I would rather just flag the players that may be rated high and do what frank suggested.
so Datysuk would go from 99 to 92 for defense.
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Post by larry on May 21, 2008 11:44:18 GMT -5
Since there are only a few perhaps a manual adustment like mike said would be good...the only true way to do it would be to take team goals against / goals for into consideration to lower some of those high players that are on good teams.
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Post by Frank on May 21, 2008 12:25:16 GMT -5
If anybody has a formula in mind for the modifier let me know and I can implement this. Would be quick to do.
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Post by Mike Bastarache on May 21, 2008 12:58:24 GMT -5
I still think the overall defense is fine. Just mention what players you think need adjustment.
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Post by Mike Bastarache on May 21, 2008 13:12:46 GMT -5
If any argument can be made, the defense ratings overall should be higher, not lower. If you look at the shot blocked leaders, its lower than real life. Again, that could just be a programming thing or coaching style set on the game.
Christian Ehrhoff (SJS) 82 151
Rostislav Klesla (CBJ) 82 149
Jay McKee (STL) 82 144
Barret Jackman (STL) 82 140
Dion Phaneuf (CGY) 82 136
Jack Johnson (LAK) 82 135
Willie Mitchell (VAN) 82 132
Tom Poti (WSH) 82 131
Freddy Meyer (NYI) 82 130
Chris Phillips (OTT) 82 130
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Post by genghis99 on May 22, 2008 21:31:37 GMT -5
I agree that some of the defensive ratings should be higher. It appears from the simming examples that defence has a major effect on a player!
Some teams have players that are at +30 and others that are -30... that usually doesn't happen in the real league!
Maybe line combos and juggling by a coach can fix that... but I worry that some players are going to become useless. I'm not going to play a guy with 50 defence if the team is going to get scored on every time he's on the ice!
I also agree that most of them seem good and that we should be able to deal with this individually for players that are off where we believe they should be!
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