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Jan 17, 2009 8:37:35 GMT -5
Post by Mike Bastarache on Jan 17, 2009 8:37:35 GMT -5
THe formulas have recently been upgraded. Now age plays a factor. Example. Lets say you have a 19 year old that scored 1 goal and a 16 year old that scored 1 goal. Well, the 19 year old will have a higher scoring rating. Also, the more years of experience in the CHL will increase the scoring rating. So in theory, a twently year old with 4-5 years of CHL experience but never scored a single goal, coul have a scoring rating of 65 instead of 50. www.simhl.net/File/CHL_PLAYER_CALCULATOR_V2.xlsI will be upgrading this sheet to have option to include penalty shots because the New version of STHS will include a penatly shot rating. Anyways, I would like to hear your thoughts on the ratings and if there are somewhat producing results simular to real life. The QMJHL will have better ratings because they show all the stats on their website. The OHL and the WHL only give us Games Played, Goals, Assists, PIM, Points, PLus Minus and I can get Fights from HockeyFights.com Thats not a whole lot to go with so luckly, if we can get the players ice time about right, then we can get the players ratings in the right ball park. Anyways, would love to hear any feedback you could give.
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Jan 17, 2009 9:48:24 GMT -5
Post by genghis99 on Jan 17, 2009 9:48:24 GMT -5
I think the ratings are pretty good... but was wondering about two things:
1. 1st round draft picks - because those were rated immediately after the draft, they are often inferior to their real league performance. I have multiple players that were rated later in the season due to prospect activation that are much advanced to one of my solid 1st rounders (Guillaume Asselin). Asselin is producing very well in real life, but he's not even on my pro squad while the later rerated players have much higher ratings. I think you could solve this by either rerating the first rounders later, or maybe doing an entire league rerate at midseason (wouldn't be very hard with the spreadsheets now).
2. I think adding age is a great idea, because as anyone that has ever played hockey understands... it makes a HUGE difference. As the player ages they (generally) become bigger and stronger. The older players have an advantage over the younger (with some exceptions). It is so pronounced, that even the date of your birthday limits your chance to succeed in minor hockey (most players with birthdays from September - December end up on house teams because they are younger and smaller).
It's also a great idea to include penalty shot ability! looking forward to the new simulator!
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Jan 17, 2009 12:33:10 GMT -5
Post by Andrew-Moncton,Guelph,MooseJaw on Jan 17, 2009 12:33:10 GMT -5
Hey,
I don't necessarily agree with the entire league re-rate...because that is a HUGE task...even with the spreadsheet. But I do agree with a half-season re-rate of the first round draft picks. Ideally, there would only be approximately 20 of them to do. We could rerate them at the real life Christmas break because that is pretty much the halfway point of the season.
Andrew (Moncton GM, Guelph GM, Moose Jaw GM and QMJHL Commish)
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Jan 18, 2009 7:09:48 GMT -5
Post by Mike Bastarache on Jan 18, 2009 7:09:48 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to the idea. if there is enough support, then we could possibly do that.
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Jan 18, 2009 9:48:03 GMT -5
Post by sudburygm on Jan 18, 2009 9:48:03 GMT -5
I love the ideas. The only problem I have with the ratings, is much like last year, its biased towards the better CHL teams. IE: Even if a player is horrible defesively, but plays on a great team, he might still be a plus player. Whereas a player who is great defensively but plays on a Sudbury or Kingston will likely be a minus.
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Jan 18, 2009 13:51:32 GMT -5
Post by Mike Bastarache on Jan 18, 2009 13:51:32 GMT -5
We don't have that problem in the QMJHL because they release enough stats to build the players properly.
As for the OHL and WHL, if I could get help re-rating, we wouldn't have the problem.
I have decent formulas that will build the players great, if we can properly figure out the ice time.
I have 3 select boxes. One for what line they player on (1,2,3,4), another box for what powerplay line they usually get (1,2,both, sometimes) and another box for penalty kill (1,2,both, sometimes)
Then all the formulas that build all the ratings look at those options you selected. So it doesn't matter what team or what their plus minus is.
The formulas look at ice time, years in the CHL and age. Those are the primary factors in building the players.
So I got very little help re-rating the WHL and the OHL so I'm just guessing the ice time for the most part.
Even if I did all the data entry, then I could get someone that really knows the teams to adjust the icetime, would create more realistic stats.
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Jan 18, 2009 13:52:14 GMT -5
Post by Mike Bastarache on Jan 18, 2009 13:52:14 GMT -5
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Jan 18, 2009 21:10:07 GMT -5
Post by Eric LeBlanc on Jan 18, 2009 21:10:07 GMT -5
The thing about the draft picks is that you never know if you have bust or a star. Some of the scoring leaders are far fetched but that is the beauty of a SIM league. Otherwise it would just be a regular pool but the idea of rerating a draft pick is not a bad idea like you said (halfway)
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Jan 19, 2009 10:59:09 GMT -5
Post by Jerry on Jan 19, 2009 10:59:09 GMT -5
I've often wondered about re-rates for rookies at the half-way point. With Mike's excel sheet it's easy enough to do.
Whether we do all rookies or just first rounders - I'm in.
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Jan 19, 2009 11:39:30 GMT -5
Post by Mike Bastarache on Jan 19, 2009 11:39:30 GMT -5
If we were to do the re-rates, I would just recommend just the rookies we built in the summer. the 1st rounders and the CHL imports.
All the other rookies were made when they had 10 games into the season.
Unless we had an appeal process. Example is if the rookie just exploded since game 10 and because a scoring machine. Then we could possibly re-rate them.
If we were to do this, should we do this for our trading deadline? Should we do it this season?
Thoughts?
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Jan 19, 2009 12:23:24 GMT -5
Post by genghis99 on Jan 19, 2009 12:23:24 GMT -5
I think it should just be done for the rookies that are built in the summer, although the idea of an appeal is interesting. Maybe like an NFL challenge... teams should be limited to one or two (per season)...
I don't have any preference on what date the rerates are done, but I think it should all be done at the same time... to make it easier on whoever does the rerates...
Or at least one deadline per league (if the same person does them across the entire CHL). They could be staggered for their benefit in that case...
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Jan 29, 2009 9:01:34 GMT -5
Post by gatineau on Jan 29, 2009 9:01:34 GMT -5
Mike, where did you take the information about the time on ice and the line he play for the QMJHL thanks
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Jan 29, 2009 20:06:44 GMT -5
Post by mccutcheon90 on Jan 29, 2009 20:06:44 GMT -5
what about players that dont play in the q anymore i found a couple of players already
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Feb 3, 2009 14:59:30 GMT -5
Post by Mike Bastarache on Feb 3, 2009 14:59:30 GMT -5
Players that are no longer in the Q, can finish the season in our league and will be removed in the summer.
But if they go PRO, we remove them right away
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Nov 13, 2014 7:46:35 GMT -5
Post by elray on Nov 13, 2014 7:46:35 GMT -5
it is possible to get that file... i see it's not on the website anymore
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